Web3 Afrika: Empowering African Web3 Builders

GM GM and we're live. Welcome to what's going to be another great episode of DevNTell. So if you didn't know, DevNTell is a 30-minute podcast held every Friday for people in the Web3 community to come on and showcase what they've built. So you can be either a big-time startup founder, a weekend hacker, or anyone in between. And this is your platform to showcase what you've built. Today I am ecstatic to welcome Idris, who's the co-founder of Web3 Afrika. Web3 Afrika exists to accelerate the education and opportunities of a new wave of builders and bring diversity into Web3 conversations globally by fostering communities in Africa, Africans in Diaspora, and people of African descent from across the world. So if you stick around for today's episode, you'll see Idris give us a great comprehensive overview of Web3 Afrika. Alright, let's get into it.

GM GM. Welcome to the show, Idris. Great to have you on.

Yeah GM GM GM. Really excited to be here. I was actually enjoying the music [imitates beat]. I could imagine like putting on my headset and vibing.

Yeah, it's custom made. Welcome to the show. I'm really ecstatic to finally have you on after all these years. I know you've been a great supporter of the show, so ecstatic to have you on. I guess before we get going, did you want to give a brief introduction about yourself if folks aren't familiar?

Yes, thank you very much once again. So my name is Idris Olubisi. I am a software engineer and a technical writer. I currently work as a developer advocate at Interops Lab, working on the Axelar Network. And also one of the founders of Web3 Afrika where we try to help the community and also contributing to the community at large, and particularly to onboard, support, and educate Web3 builders. And yes, aside from that I also do like other activities like investing more time in writing. I hit the gym quite a lot. I do some other activities around community. It's mostly focused on, if I'm not doing anything software engineering related, then I'm probably doing something around writing or maybe I'm attending an event or speaking at an event and thereabout. So I'm really excited to be here while I prepare for my trip tomorrow to Devcon. And yes, thank you, thank you very much.

Oh man, you sound like a very busy man as most Web3 folks are. I guess could you speak a little bit about how you got into software development, how you found yourself in Web3?

Yes, getting into software development is an interesting journey and it's very, very interesting because I started with my mobile phone. I know you might have heard this before, but mine was like there was a need for me because my system got stolen at the time and then I wanted to like continue doing stuff because I don't want to give myself excuses. Like yes, I have to face the reality. I started with my phone, learned a few things with the SoloLearn app at the time and then also from there I started embedded systems. I actually started embedded systems like building microcontrollers and then using C++. But at the time I knew I wanted to do something more because I was looking at the roadmap at the time for embedded systems. I feel like you end up becoming a trainer, which is not really what I wanted to do at the time. I want to build software, I want to like build sites for people and they pay me for it. So I found web development, I started doing HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. I got an internship opportunity and then the internship opportunity categorically called out C#. They wanted somebody with C# or someone that is interested in C#. I've never done anything with C# and I've heard a lot of stories about Java and I was really scared that it's very hard, but I tried it anyway because with the mindset of after six months if it doesn't make sense to me, then probably I would just switch. But then five months into it, I already loved the whole thing and then I just continued pushing. After the internship we were about six, only two of us got the full-time opportunity as software engineer. And then that's how everything started and I got my first full-time role as a software engineer in 2019. And COVID hit 2020, I started working remotely. Since then I've been working as a backend engineer for different companies and I mostly work remotely since COVID hit. So it's been really interesting even before transitioning into DevRel, I've been kind of technical and also doing a lot of technical writing because I don't just build, I also try to share my knowledge as much as I can because one thing changed the way I think about things at the time where an article from 2007 helped me around that 2019 to fix a particular .NET problem. And that really changed the way I thought. I'm like this is actually dated 2007, like this is 2019 and I still find at least this article for this particular niche really helpful. So it means that somebody can be somewhere and then make meaningful contribution globally that would help anybody anywhere in the world. So that's how I started writing bit by bit because it was it's very hard to start, but then after starting I knew I wanted to do something different which is combining content and also engineering. I don't want to leave engineering, I don't want to be like a full-time content writer or something like that because I feel like I will get bored at some point. So I wanted something that would combine software engineering, community, and all of that. And the whole idea of developer relations, I started researching about it, found blockchain at the time, blockchain was trending, NFT and all of that. Started looking into it and then I wanted to transition as a blockchain engineer or like a smart contract developer at the time, but I wanted more than just coding. That's why I chose the path for developer advocacy and since then I got my first opportunity, transitioned from there to where I am currently and it's been a really, really, really interesting journey so far.

Wow, that's quite an amazing journey. And yeah, I always love hearing about these. Everyone has like a very interesting story to tell. And thank you for sharing it here. I guess before we get into your content, do you prefer DevRel over pure engineering or is there something that you miss from being just a pure engineer?

Yeah, I think I miss fixing tickets. That's one thing I, I know maybe it's not fun, but I miss that sense of urgency. I miss that thing that comes with yes I have to like fix this thing and then I'm there battling with this for like two, three days. But at some point, one thing I realized is that I'm even doing more than what I would do as a backend engineer right now because I still write code. I write code like every day. I build software apps, I build like demos every now and then. I write content, I prepare for presentations, do speaking opportunities. When it's time for travel, I travel. These are things that are not included to like software engineering job description. You're just one place and then building and which is cool, but I think I miss it a bit when it comes to like these tickets' needs. But yeah, DevRel is fun and in as much I can get opportunity that keeps me hands-on, then it will continue to be fun for me because I do want to stay away from coding for any reason, at least for the next few years.

Awesome, awesome. Yeah, I think it's the first time I've heard someone say they enjoy fixing bug tickets, but I mean it's like 60-70% of the job, so good for you. Yeah there's always pressure actually, there's always pressure to do it, but if you look at it, it just helps you grow. Because I was looking at some of my articles that did really well and I noticed that some of the articles were particularly based on something I worked on while I was backend engineer, like a particular new feature that I've never done anything about, like I have no idea how to implement it. I researched it and then after doing all of the research and then coming up with a solution that works, then I decided to write about it. So looking at some of my articles, I'm seeing this article did really well and then when I check it, I realize it's some concept that I learned during work. So I think that learning opportunity is also part of it that makes it fun, but when you are fixing it or doing it within a strict timeline, it's not fun because you're under pressure. But then after then it makes like something that is worth it. But when you do fix it and get that feeling, it's one of the great feelings. One of the great feelings.

Awesome, awesome. Yeah I guess not to run out of time, so let's get your slides up here. Okay it should be sharing. As Idris is going through his presentation, if anybody has any questions, please drop them in the chat and we'll get to them during the presentation. Alright Idris, take it away.

Alright, thank you very much once again. But I just want to like go through everything about Web3 Afrika in case you are hearing Web3 Afrika for the first time and also some of the things we've done in the past. I was able to like highlight a few and including like other community activities, but because I want to like make sure that I highlight some of the key things where you can get insights and if you also want to learn more, you can join our community and you'll see like some of the other things that we do. But then to get started, Web3 Afrika, yes, what exactly is Web3 Afrika? Web3 Afrika first is a spinoff from Developer DAO and then the whole idea of Web3 Afrika started when I was facing a particular problem of transitioning into Web3 and then I figured it out myself. But at some point I started getting requests on you know how can I transition, what are some of the things, do you have any community that is doing something similar? And then at the time I, it feels like something interesting, but I wanted to do it like the interesting thing is I wanted to do an extension for Developer DAO. So saying something like Developer DAO Afrika or something like that. And then luckily I Oscarfest 2022 which is Open Source Community Festival, I gave a talk at the time there. Nader traveled down all the way to Lagos, I met him in person and then we were having a discussion about the extension. But he gave me like an insight on thinking about something that could stand alone and could be niche to the African ecosystem.

And that's when the whole idea of creating a community, because I was scared like can I actually create a community and then keep pushing? How am I supposed to do it? But luckily I found he also connected me with somebody in the space, Tony Olendo, and then Tony reached out like he connected us, the goal kind of aligned, he finds it interesting also. We added somebody at the time, Zara, that helped us with design and all of that and also some other core team members at the time. So that's how the whole thing of Web3 Afrika started. And but then it's clear that we wanted to do one thing and then we made the goal clear that there are a lot of problems to solve, but the most important thing for us is how can we empower African Web3 builders? How? So we come up with a lot of discussion, in fact there are so many ideas that we bounce off here and there, we tested some, didn't work, we tried some that we were not expecting to work, but it worked really well and then we've been iterating over time.

So the goal, what is the goal? The goal is quite simple: to onboard, educate, and support Web3 builders. And while we are doing this, we also want to continue foster and build Web3 tools and public goods. Because now it's not just about us, but it's about the community. What can the community do with our onboarding them? After onboarding them, what can they do? After we support them, what can they do? What else can they do? Yes, they need to give back to the community also if they have any ideas they are building, tools, public goods, they also need to continue to do that. And while we are doing it, the mission is also clear that despite having this goal to onboard and support, we also make sure that we have a mission that helps to accelerate education and opportunities for new wave builders in the ecosystem and also bringing diversity into Web3 conversations globally by fostering communities in Africa, particularly not just Africa but Africans in Diaspora also because we have a lot of people interested in the African ecosystem but maybe they relocated at some point maybe when they are young or they have the African lineage but they are far from home and but then they still want to get in touch. So that's the clear mission for us to drive this goal.

But then execution. So it's interesting, anybody can come up with goals, anybody can say yeah I want to do this and promising that, but then how do we plan to execute this? So we came up with like a lot of ideas but like the seven, like six to seven ideas that keyed in and then that we've experimented so far to continue becoming to continue to be relevant in this space is these things I have listed. Boot camps, yeah we tried boot camps, try to help people that are still learning or like people that have learned something but they want to also continue learning and building up. Then also training and workshops. There is a reason why we pay attention to training and workshop because when we tried boot camps, we got the feedback of some people that have no idea of what Web3 is all about and they are completely newbie. And we realized that bootstrapping things might not really help them because they are not learning. And then we started we introduced training and workshops and hackathons. After now you know how to code, you know how to write, why not compete for prizes and then even improve more on your skillset even if you haven't transitioned into Web3. Because at the time before I transitioned into Web3 as a backend engineer, I started writing from different for different Web3 companies and that's because I was already learning. And then when I got the opportunity to start writing, they pay me to write, it gives me like more energy to continue learning. So introducing hackathon also served as a reward system which is something we also planned to we've executed and we still continue we still have plans to continue executing it. And then events. Yes, it's good to do everything online, but having events, maybe virtual event, physical event, is also prominent if we really want to get the attention of builders in African ecosystem because we always like to see something. We like to see somebody physically, not only virtual. And then of course grants, we needed grants to help us for this execution. And then scholarship and mentorship because now you that you've gone through our boot camp or did our training, you now have the experience, you might also want to give back to the community and we will be happy to add you to our mentor list. And for those that also require require like mentorship we can bring you onboard for anything you need plus scholarship yeah for courses that we think would help and also that we want to leverage.

But then getting started with the boot camp. So what did we do first? We ran a boot camp, our very first boot camp was facilitated by the great Austin Griffith at the time. And it was a successful one because it was really exciting and I've been a big fan of Austin before then. So getting that opportunity for him to facilitate that particular boot camp for us is like really great. We were like we are still grateful to Austin if he can see this or hear me right now. So we had we also had like mentors, we had Nader himself and Jenny, one of the core contributors, and then Sharon who is I think she's a software engineer like a blockchain engineer at the time. And they all volunteered, this is like complete volunteering role to help us with the boot camp. But during the boot camp after the boot camp we ran like a survey, we got a feedback from people. That is where we got to know yes we a lot of people still needs to learn before they try. You know when you do speedrun boot camp, there is some level of assumption, right? But if you go back to the roots, then you need to do some training. So there are some people that have Web2 experience and then they are still very like beginner in Web3. Those type of people if you give them like a full-fledged project, or even if it's a spinoff project that completely spins off everything without them knowing how those things come together, then it's a problem. So we got some of this feedback and then we realized that okay I think we need to take a step back a bit and then go back to the grassroots to do something that can help these builders, which is also in line with our goal to onboard them and educate them.

So we started doing trainings and workshops. This is our first training, the the one we had. And it was a huge one because we got over 400 application from almost 400 countries and also total engagement increased a lot. As you can see on the screen, we have like screenshot when we did the onboarding, when we did other things and also some of the engagement here. But then we made this in partnership with Web3 Bridge. Web3 Bridge is also a training is particularly a training organization. And then what we did was okay now that we know that we wanted to train people, instead of trying to look for people here and there, we partnered with Web3 Bridge which is also focused on the African ecosystem. They provided mentors, they supported us, like the support was really, really great. And if you check like the third third screen here, this is when we were doing the onboarding for all the people that registered and then this is also one of the classes. I think so, yeah.

So moving on, we also knew that people might not be able to join live at the time. So at the very beginning we made sure we set up our YouTube, set up all of these things to keep track of recordings. And then we started recording all the classes that we have. If you look at our YouTube today, you'll see all of the classes and webinars that we've done. We invited mentors and then they gave all of these presentation and on my screen here you can see this is like a snapshot from our YouTube channel. Including some of the events that we did in person that was recorded live, and the workshops that we also do. So aside from the training, we also started doing a monthly workshop where we bring like professionals in the space. We've had the likes of Rahat on the on the session, we've had the likes of Rasa. Yeah Rasa, we've had Genius Yinka, we've had Kas, we've had you know a lot of amazing, amazing, amazing builders. In fact, we had the lead the African lead from The Graph Protocol at the time. We had a mentorship session from even mentors from from Web3 Bridge that are like really, really proficient in what they do. So we also still continue to do like workshops continuously every month where we bring like industry professionals and leaders to come and talk about things. So this is particularly this is this is technical sessions, right? We focus on all our workshops we focus on technical sessions alone.

And then yes, so still on the workshop, this is when we announced the Web3 Bridge collab that I mentioned. And then we also did webinar which is also a good thing to call out because the training we got sponsors from Bunzz and also ChainIDE. And then we tried to use the sponsorship bounty to focus on the bounty for the hackathon which I'm going to talk about in the next slide. And then yeah this is the workshop session you can see on my screen here and yeah it's been interesting after that.

Okay yes, so I added this also. This is a snapshot from like space. So while we focus on we have the workshop that focus more on technical side of things, we also want to carry along like all other Web3 builders to learn about things in the space. So we started doing Web3 Afrika spaces alongside the workshop, so it's not one-sided. So we can carry everybody along. We've had like a lot of speakers, interesting takes, we talk about things that really matters, things that people outside the crypto space or people that are new to the space are curious to learn more about. So came up with topic and then it was facilitated by one of our contributors and then before we even started adding even more contributors over time. So this is particularly for space and probably categorize under like the awareness side of oh if you not if you are not available to join the workshop or maybe because it's too technical, then you can you know join our one of our spaces because they are quite educational.

And then talking about hackathons, right? Hackathons, the first hackathon we had was this one, which is a follow-up activity after our first training. So we also know that yes now you think you know what you know, but why not build something and then compete for a particular prize? So that's how we we announced this hackathon where we got the support from Bunzz and also ChainIDE. And that was really, really helpful to reward our participants. And we were really excited because without that particular bounty, that hackathon won't be successful. And getting the hackathon like after the hackathon we also partnered significantly with like a lot of different community, but to call out we partnered with Celo where we get like even more people to participate in the hackathon. And then they can compete for 10k CUSD. I think that's the hackathon prize. So yeah this is the announcement here and this is what we did.

And then we after the online hackathon ended, we got a lot of feedback. We've been planning, you know how the space work, like it's so hard to get like sponsorship for hackathon. But then when we had the opportunity again to facilitate an event, which I'm going to talk about in the next slide, but what we did to even make it interesting is why would you want to attend event of 7 hours and then we keep giving you like speakers here and there? Which is cool, but what if we you kind of hack something within 5 hours during the event and then you get rewarded for even attending the event? So and we were not sure about it, and then kudos to the team and you know for agreeing to do this because like it's a crazy idea. Like why why do you want people to come and hack? Why not just call it hackathon? We said no, we wanted something that is related to event, but we also just want to infuse that mini hack to get people excited and tell them to come and build. And the turn out was really great, as you can see on the screen. We have the first the first winner on the left hand side, this guy. He won the first track and he built something around Degen Chess, a game, a chess game that also reward you in it and all of that. So some other some other guys too here on the screen. So the turn out was really cool because it shows that yes people are really interested in the event plus the hackathon. They didn't just come like without anything, they came with their laptop and came prepared. So this is one of the hackathon, this is another hackathon which is an onsite hackathon.

Then now let's talk about events, like the events we've done in the past and and then some of the things that we are planning to do going forward. So one of them is the Scroll event. Yes we organized the Scroll community meetup in Lagos at the time Scroll just launched on mainnet and then they did like a global activation. And then we got in after they selected everyone globally, we got in, we facilitated this event. We had like amazing, amazing, amazing speaker. You can see this image, this is Yinka. This is Genius Yinka. So we invited him, invited like great speakers, managers. This guy is a product manager in Web3. You know we try to make it diverse for people to see different angle to like Web3, like it's not just about being technical but also there are some senior level roles. And then we have like really cool guys, we have Sheun Lalanenge from Hyperbridge for PolyTopLabs. And then we have like some other really great guys on the panel session like Ope. Now he's at you know Fuel Network. Like really, really cool speakers to come give talk. And this is the the one we had this year. Before now we've been doing like virtual events, not physical. So this this is the first one that we had earlier this year.

And then after that we moved on to like pre-event workshop to plan for the second event because the event I talked about where we wanted event from 9 to 12 and then 12 to 4 for hackathon and then the remaining hours for the rest of the activities. So we did a pre-event workshop to prepare people because we know that you can't just come and then hack without even knowing things about what you need to hack. Yes so we did a pre-event activities two to three days before and we got like really good feedback as you can see from the caption here where we invited Harprit, we invited Favor Onuoha. Favor Onuoha works at Swing, Harprit, we also invited Kas who is a software engineer and a protocol engineer actually. So yeah we used this to prepare our attendees and after that we moved on to like the event day. So this is the event day where the attendees already know like this is what we want to do and this is how we want to do it. So you can see on the screen that everybody is really excited with their laptops and all set to hack something and then showing their code. We also have yeah this is one of like this is a really cool call out that I need to make here. We have speakers that give a talk that day, one of them is Shodipo. He was previously at I think Polygon as their head of DevRel and then he moved to I think he's at Nucleus AI right now. Yeah so he gave a talk and this is a caption, this is another caption from like you know different angle. We also have panel session, we also have Abims. Abims from he is an alumni from Web3 Bridge and he facilitated a session on Rust, deploying your Rust application and some other really other activities and some other speakers that day. So this is another event.

But then, while we are doing all of these event, we apart from some other things that we fund with our own money, like things like setting up our site, you know paying recurring fees and doing all of those thing which I know you are familiar with all of that, things that we do under the hood to set up the community that requires payment. We like big shout out to all the core team members, in fact we use our money to do all of that. But then aside from this, this is we doing it based on our interest. This is just nobody is forcing us, this is what we want to do we are giving back. But aside from that we also like got tried to apply to like public goods grant. And then we got the first one from Gitcoin grant. Then I think we started using it to support some of the things we do under the hood, but the ENS small small grant, we didn't get it, but we the vote was really massive. As you can see we got like 329,000 votes. I think the person that won because they picked I think top three or top five, we were like top six. Which is sad, but then it shows and gives us like a particular sign of yes I think we are doing something right. As you can see here it's showing 82 weeks ago, right? So this is long ago and then the vision was clear. The support was massive. People are saying oh yes these people are actually meant business and they know what they are doing and they are willing to support. So we didn't get that but it shows like some sort of yeah we are moving in the right direction. And then we also got the CLR fund, I think this was just about okay this is just about 100 DAI, which is also something for us to keep pushing even though we we kind of need more funds right now to do some of these strategy initiative that we are planning you know going forward and we are hoping to collaborate with anybody anywhere in the world.

So that's not possible, all of the things I've mentioned like since the beginning of this talk, isn't going to be possible without like the core team members and the contributors. This is a lot of work to do, I'm not gonna lie, it's not an easy task. It is not about me giving this talk but it's about showing the love and respect to all the core team members and contributors for helping out. And who are they? These are all the team members. So over time we've had like a lot of people join us as core team and then for one reason or the other some of them stepped down because of personal reasons or because of like the time they needed to give to commitment, which is understandable because I know like even right now a lot of a lot of us have been through like ups and downs, you know layoffs happened and all of that. Everybody's trying to struggle to get their foot in in in the space. But then particularly call out like the core team: Tony, Ajoke, Zara, myself, and also Jenny. And also Koha, Koha leading DevRel initiative for us, anything around workshop he's the one like in charge of you know helping us with it. And we have our community manager Eniola, that then really active and then helping us with community activities, making sure that things goes well because she's also a lawyer she's very busy, like she studied law and law is like a lot of thing to do and then combining it is like a whole lot. And then we have Kudus Ayo helping with like our website implementation, Kanayo Uzo helping with design also alongside Zara, and then Oluwabamikemi volunteering to lead the whole space initiative. And some other good guys too because I I just did an highlight, but there are a lot of other ones that are also helping as a moderator, our video content creator person that we recently just joined us, Esther. She's been doing really well, in fact she did a lot of video resource for our last event which is quite recommended commendable. And some other guys too that have been helping us one way or the other to push the whole narrative. We we want to do like a big shout out to everyone. Thank you, thank you for being part of this journey. Thank you for all the commitment, thank you for everything you've been doing and then we hope we get to continue to do more and then putting our best to to continue to grow the ecosystem.

And then, so that's pretty much the whole like overview, the amazing people behind the the entire organization and mind you we are nonprofit organization like we don't sell anything, we don't make money. But the only thing we survive on is probably getting like grants from community member, sorry grants from like protocols, grants from you know open public goods grant. The little resource that we have is what we try to manage to utilize and do everything that we've done so far including events. Yeah events we at least the event that we've done so far we plan to do some other ones that we might probably now start reaching out to like even more people which is like a full blown Web3 Afrika event. But the event we've done in the past has been like a collaboration event with some of these protocols and it has been fully sponsored sponsored events. And then yeah so that's pretty much it. Thank you all for for listening. Yeah you can find us on Twitter, on LinkedIn, on YouTube as Web3 Afrika. And we also have resources that you can find beneficial on our YouTube channel that you can check out. And additionally if you are looking to collaborate please feel free to reach out to us. We are happy to work with you with your product, happy to work with you with your protocol, and if we have plans to do like hackathon we can also reach out to you because we have a lot planned. I mentioned we have scholarship and mentorship program, the reason why we we hold that a bit because it requires like resource. We need to at least give our mentors some sort of incentive to like get the work done, all of these things, maybe end it with an hackathon to get to reward. So these things requires money and then yeah so there's no way anywhere else we get this money from other than grants or like soliciting to like protocols. So we encourage like any protocol that is interested to please come, we'll be happy happy happy to have you on and then work with you as a team.

Amazing, amazing. Yeah, I just want to squeeze one question in from the crowd before we leave. Bello asks, when is the next event and hackathon program?

Yeah so I think next event is coming soon, but one thing we try to do is that we try to bring value. So it's not just about event, because there are a lot of event happening trust me, even in at least in Africa since the last year. So there are a lot happening that you can travel to. But one thing that we try to attach to all of our event is value. And why do we want to do the event? So there's always why before the event. But then we are planning our event soon. Of course this year is out already but hopefully early next year we should have something. But before then we also have some other activities that we plan to do that is currently ongoing that you can check out our community, you see all of them. And for hackathon, hackathon can come in anytime. So expect hackathon. Event is different from hackathon, event here I'm assuming you're talking about like physical event, right? But hackathon can come in every time because it's most likely going to be virtual unless we want to do something like what we did before the on our last event where we organized an a physical event and then we added a mini hack. But if we aren't going that direction then it means that hackathon can still happen and can be online. And by the way we are also partnering with like different community, we've partnered with a lot of communities. I think that's something I forgot to like include in the slide. We partnered with a lot of communities within the space, a lot of protocols also that we've worked with in the past um within the space. So yeah just you know sit back and and watch we roll out announcement as we we plan them going forward. And particularly scholarship and mentorship programs. Yeah.

Amazing. Yeah, great question, great answer, and yeah love the project. Unfortunately we've gone over time but for all the good for all the best reasons. So just want to thank you again Idris for for coming on the show. Really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to give us this wonderful insight into what you and your co-founders have built at Web3 Afrika and yeah looking forward to to see it continue to grow.

Yeah, thank you very much for having me. Thank you very much for this opportunity to like tell what we've been doing. And also thank you very much for also handling all the programs like particularly for Developer DAO. Developer DAO has been like day one inspiration for us and we kind of use it as a blueprint. We monitor activities that is going on in Web3 in Developer DAO and the ones that we can quickly integrate into our system. So thank you very much. Big shout out to everyone that have helped. Special shout out to Tony because there are so many times that like I want to I'm no longer doing, I'm tired. And then we'll be like no yes let's keep going. So let's just so we've seen a lot of you know back and forth, a lot of ups and downs. And yeah big shout out to to him and also the other core team members that are always showing up when we needed them the most. Yeah.

Awesome, awesome, love it. Yeah, I guess with that, I want to wish everybody a very happy Friday, happy weekend wherever you may be, and that we will catch you back here next week with another great episode of DevNTell. Alright all. Thank you. Bye! My pleasure, bye!