Exploring Decentralized AI with Morpheus

GM, GM. Welcome to what's going to be another great episode of DevNTell. So if you didn't know, DevNTell is a 30-minute podcast held every week, allowing founders, hackers and anyone in between to come on the show and showcase their product. And today I'm ecstatic to welcome David Johnston, who's a Web3 OG and an open source contributor and maintainer on Morpheus AI. So if you didn't know, Morpheus is the first peer-to-peer network for general purpose AI powered by the MOR token. So if you stick around for today's episode, you'll see David speak about his illustrious tenure as a pioneer in the Web3 space, give us an overview of Morpheus and discuss the future of decentralized AI. Right, let's get into it. But first, a word from our sponsor.

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GM, GM. Welcome David to the show. Really ecstatic to have you on, man.

Awesome. Glad to be here.

Awesome, awesome. Yeah. So I've read a little bit about your background. You have quite the illustrious history in Web3. So really excited to get into that and have the audience kind of learn about that. And obviously you being a maintainer on the Morpheus AI repo, talking about that and decentralized AI, especially in today's climate, is going to be really awesome. But before we get into all those goodies, did you want to just give a brief introduction about yourself?

Sure. Hey everybody, David Johnston. Been in crypto since 2012, was an early Bitcoin nerd. And you know, that sort of put me down the rabbit hole and started speaking with the different conferences about how to build startups in the Bitcoin ecosystem, even back at the first Bitcoin conference in May of 2013 in San Jose that the foundation put on. And that sort of just led to this series of events where I ended up writing in the space. Most people know me for creating the framework for decentralized applications, or dApps. And you know, sort of just tried to say, hey, let's take that same ethos that made Bitcoin great and apply it to other projects. Open source, peer-to-peer, based on blockchains and has its own token. And I said, if you have those four ingredients, you're really a decentralized application. And so yeah, that terminology caught on. I was funny, I saw it in the intro for the Arbitrum ad. It's like, build dApps. I was like, you know, I've always got to smile when I see that still, the same way I spelled it with a small 'd' and a big 'A' for dApps. And yeah, I don't know, people started sending me white papers, Ethereum adopted that language when they launched as a platform for smart contracts and dApps. And that sort of put me in a position to help with each layer of the ecosystem, as I helped with the first Layer 2s, and you know, I helped with sort of every evolution as it got to DeFi and data storage and all these other things. So yeah, it's been an amazing journey, but interestingly enough, I actually worked in AI before crypto, back in 2011 when we called it natural language processing and machine learning. Like, there were no transformers yet, there were no LLMs. But I realized I was too early in that particular trend and decided to focus full-time in crypto in 2012. So that's sort of been my journey, is just trying to help, you know, Bitcoin with Ethereum, with each project that launched based on this technology because sort of at my heart is I'm a freedom maximalist, right? And I want humanity to have the maximum amount of freedom because that's what correlates to prosperity and happiness and life expectancy and all these outcomes that we want, right? And so, you know, just thinking back, you know, as I looked at each protocol, it's like, what's the next tool we need in order to increase human freedom? That's what I want to work on, right? And in 2012 that was Bitcoin, you know, and in 2014 that was Ethereum, and now today it's with Morpheus because I think what AI is really going to give us is this user interface and this beautiful easy way to access crypto for the average person. So anyway, that's what I'm all about. I'm hanging out in Singapore today, just finished with the Super AI conference, was a blast here. The community held a decentralized AI day in Kuala Lumpur right across the border and I just got back from Forest City from Network School with the Network State stuff speaking there about Morpheus. So anyway, yeah, it's been a crazy week but I'm glad to be here.

Amazing, amazing. And yeah, I mean, like obviously it seems you're a pioneer not only in the Web3 space but also the AI space as well, mentioning you're a bit early to that space but now it's kind of become mainstream. So it's funny how that works out for some people where they just build something that's really cool or really groundbreaking but it's just not the time for people to adopt it and then it kind of comes back around. But yeah, it's just the way tech works, innovation I guess in general. I guess there's a couple of things I want to unpack, but since you mentioned the conference, do you want to mention any highlights that kind of came to your forefront, anything that you were particularly excited about?

Well, the really cool thing is there were so many Morpheus community members there at the conference. Saw and got to catch up with a lot of friends. Big credit to some of the other code maintainers, Rene and Erik, who put together an entire decentralized AI focused event at one of the top universities, basically like the MIT of Malaysia, just focused on teaching people about, you know, what's happening with this whole trend, how now you can have a personal AI, what that means for you, right, now that you can own your own AI. So yeah, I mean, I always get so encouraged and reinvigorated by these conferences because you get to meet the people in person. And there's something like 300 code contributors to Morpheus spread over the entire world. And half of them are anonymous, I don't even know who they are, but if I look at the IP addresses, a lot of people are in Asia, a lot of people are in Europe. I live in Austin, so there's a contingent in North America. But, you know, there's still no substitute to meeting people in person, right, and hanging out and understanding what they're building. Because there's over 100 projects now building on Morpheus, you get to meet all those developers in person and see what they're creating and what's coming up next. So yeah, no, it's been a really cool event. And then just Super AI in general, I would say the mainstream has woken up to AI, but also now agents, right? You saw our friends at Nevermind there, there was a crew from Bittensor, there was the folks from Manifest, a lot of the crypto and Web3 projects that are involved in AI were very well represented, like right next to Google, right next to all the major sort of traditional Web2 players, you saw all the Web3 players having a huge presence there. So the industries have really merged, right? There's no gap anymore. Like, crypto is bringing GPUs and compute and capital and that's merging with, okay, great AI technology that can empower the individual. So yeah, no, it was a cool event.

Yeah, it certainly sounds like it. It sucks I missed out. Maybe I'll catch it next year. But yeah, exactly like what you said, like just getting to meet people in real life, connect with them, see the people that you see pushing out pull requests every couple of weeks. Like, oh, there's a name or a face to a username now. But yeah, so certainly seems that there is, like you say, a lot of mainstream attention now. And over the last year, year and a half, maybe two years, we've also seen the Web3 side really trying to come together and get a piece of the action. Particularly I've noticed agents, AI agents, this year, whether they're autonomously trading crypto, launching a meme coin as we saw earlier this year. Just curious to get your thoughts, since you're quite tenured in both verticals, just like how do you see these two coming together and what do you think has worked up to this point and maybe still needs work to kind of get it over the line?

I think Illia from NEAR said it best. AI is going to be the user interface and blockchain is going to be the backend. And I think that sums it up really well. You know, if you think back to the early days of the internet, people were very dismissive. They're like, 'Ah, the internet will never catch on, it's just for engineers. I don't know how to type in IP addresses,' right? But as soon as there was a beautiful user interface, right? Google landed and they're like, 'Hey, just type in what you want. The machine understands it, it'll find all the websites for you.' Great. That was a website and a user experience that could scale to a billion users, right? And that's what we saw, right? The internet went from a niche to something very mainstream overnight in the late 90s, early 2000s, right? And I think we're at that same moment again for crypto. Right, they're about 500-600 million people using crypto, right? It's becoming mainstream, right? But it's still missing that user interface. It's still considered hard to use. Nobody understands smart contracts and nodes and how do I do this without losing my money? And so now to have a technology where I can just say to my agent, 'Go send money to Bob.' And I never had to, you know, understand how it worked under the hood, right? It comes back to me, 'Oh, is this how much you want to send? Is this the right Bob? You know, push this button on MetaMask and the money gets sent,' right? But then you open up all these kind of opportunities because the user might know DeFi exists, but they don't know how to navigate it, they don't know which contracts are safe, you know, they don't ever want to lose their money. All of a sudden if they have a trusted personal agent that knows all the smart contracts in the world and can say, 'Yeah, you want to use Aave. You want to use Compound, you want to use Uniswap. And here, just tell me what you want to do, I'll do it for you.' And that's what's at the heart of the idea of Morpheus. When I read the white paper, I thought the idea of connecting Web3 wallets to an AI was brilliant because it lets the individual—if you hold the private key, now my AI can take action for me. It can send money for me. It's not just giving me information, it's actually doing useful work on my behalf. And that's what I would say the shift is. You know, people have gotten used to now that they've got a large language model and they can tell them any information in the world, but agents open up action, right? Now it can do stuff for me, that's really I think the transformative thing. And the core question is, who does the AI work for? Is it a company or a government, or does it work for you as an individual? Right, I really want an AI that is as a fiduciary to me. It has my best interests as its top priority. And the only way we're going to get that is if the root credential, if the Web3 wallet key is owned by the person and not by some custodian or third party. Like, Google's not in the business of, you know, making your life better, they're in the business of selling ads, right? And they will happily mine this new trove of data that you give them in order to manipulate your behavior and get you to buy certain things and all the rest of this. So I think the way we get really good outcomes is if the individual's at the heart.

Yeah, I totally agree. And this is actually a great segue. I wanted to ask you around kind of what your motivation was around creating the decentralized app paper and kind of like if there's a story of some centralized service or something kind of like irking you the wrong way leading you to go this direction and introduce that to the world.

Oh, that's a great question. Um, I would say the inspiration was Bitcoin. You know, what made Bitcoin successful? Because people forget, there were a bunch of predecessors to Bitcoin: e-Cash, e-Gold, the Linden dollar, and every single one of them got shut down, censored or restricted because they were a private company. You know, they could knock on the door of Linden Lab in California and say, 'You know, do you know what people are doing with your currency? You know, you can't have casinos and stock markets and all these things, and you have to censor all of this activity.' And so all of a sudden, you know, to have an uncensorable version, right, that just worked, you know, regardless of what the government thought about it. You know, when I saw Bitcoin in 2012, I was like, 'Oh, it's an unstoppable Linden dollar. It's open source, there is no company. This is brilliant.' Right? I know exactly what people are going to do with this because I had been in Second Life, I had experienced these systems all the way back in 2006. I'd seen their potential, but I also saw them got censored. I also saw them get restricted, right? And it was a shame to see, you know, sort of all the lost opportunity that could have been in those systems even back in 2006, but they didn't have the right structure. And so the structure and architecture was key. If you started with a company, you were forever anchored to the state. If you started with open source, if you started with a blockchain, you could be free to serve anybody in the world, right? That was the brilliance of Bitcoin. It was Satoshi's innovation is he let the software for the first time pay for its own hardware. Because you had token emissions, it could truly be an independent network. Right, as long as there was some guy cutting a check for the server every month, like it's his network, right? But the idea of giving the software its own way to pay for hardware was that was brilliant, right? And I said, okay, how do we do that for everything? Because I didn't buy the story that there would only be one coin, right? There would only be one chain. 'Oh, there can only be one of these.' Like, no, I don't see that anywhere else in technology. Technology and network effects specialize, right? Bitcoin's amazing for digital gold and Ethereum is amazing for smart contracts and Morpheus is trying to build a network effect now around smart agents. But these are different network effects and we need to bootstrap and pay for the incentives of whatever behavior makes that network possible. So in the case of Bitcoin, it was hash power, right? But Ethereum needed validators to, you know, go through transactions that were using an EVM. And Morpheus needs, you know, rewards for builders and LLM providers. Like, they're each different use cases. And so being a free market guy, I was like, 'That's great. We'll have a free market develop, but we need a model, we need a standard by which to say, if you're these four things, you're a real decentralized application.' So that was really the inspiration.

Wow, yeah, that's amazing. I didn't know it was that deep. But yeah, thank you so much for sharing that. I guess do those same thoughts and feelings you had around blockchains kind of translate their way to this decentralized AI that you're focusing on now? And I guess you mentioned earlier point of these centralized services or what not, they can get shut down, they're tied down to a state. Basically today's market where we're very much tied down to centralized AI, like two or three big players. And then it's like the very small little piece of like open source models and people running their own AI infra and these decentralized AI networks. So I guess what would you say is like one of the top selling points of decentralized AI before we get into what Morpheus is over centralized AI?

So first of all, you know, I sort of like to break the myth that these centralized companies have all the resources. Ethereum, before it switched to proof of stake, was using proof of work with GPUs. And the amount of GPUs that were mining Ethereum is actually 50 times more than created ChatGPT-4. Like, the scale of compute in crypto is unparalleled. There's no parallel comparison to the amount of compute in crypto, either for the Bitcoin network or for these other GPU networks. And so, you know, that idea is important to break. Like, they don't have a monopoly on the GPUs. We do, as a community, as a global open source movement, have far more compute than any one company will ever have, right? Because there's all these under-utilized resources sitting in data centers all over the world, right? Most data centers are only about 70 percent efficient, right? And they're constantly looking for, 'What do I do with these extra hardware?' So first of all, it's important to say that we can be bigger and more effective and more powerful and cheaper than any of these players. And so a year ago I was saying, 'Guys, the open source models are going to catch up.' And that was considered like a fantasy at the time. Like, 'No, you know, OpenAI's so far ahead, there's no way anybody will ever, you know, get close to their level.' And I was like, 'I don't buy that,' you know, open source is outcompeting in all these other areas. And so we saw Llama come out, then you saw DeepSeek, you've got, you know, Elon open sourcing Grok on a larger and larger basis. And so now that reality is here. You know, DeepSeek and these other models are right on par with the best closed-source proprietary models that exist today. And so there's no gap, right? It's really neck and neck. Each new model gets released, now it's the best. Then this one's the best, and Llama's the best and DeepSeek's the best. Like, it goes back and forth almost every week. But that's amazing. That's us winning because now the average person, like you said, can download it themselves, run it on their own hardware and have instant access to the best intelligence in the world. The challenge is, most people don't have a GPU. Most people don't know how to run something locally, right? There's a knowledge gap but also a capital gap. Only about 5 percent of the people in the world have enough money to run the top grade equipment. So, and the solution is a network. And that's what the Morpheus paper, when I first read it in September 23, I was like, 'Yes!' If we want this to go beyond hobbyists, right? Because we know this from Bitcoin and Ethereum, there's only about 20,000 people in the world that run a full node. Anybody could run a full node, but you have to have the knowledge and the hardware and the motivation and all of those things. It's a very small sub-set of people. Most people experience Ethereum through MetaMask. Most people experience Bitcoin through a wallet like blockchain.com, right? And that's okay. We can bring that benefit to most people in the world if it works in a light-client network type context, right? And so that's what Morpheus set out to do, is not just create a local install but create a network that was incentivized for those people that did have the hardware to provide that inference to people that didn't, right? And so that's what we've seen now is this amazing network grow up. There's over a million people now using decentralized AI thanks to Venice and the many other projects built on Morpheus. Who knew free AI would be a popular idea, right? But you know, the models are uncensored, they're unlimited, you own the outputs forever, right? And that's what's come together. Is now I have Morpheus, which is my personal AI, uncensored, unrestricted forever, right? And that's the dream that we've been really chasing after.

Amazing. And I guess for people who haven't used Morpheus before, maybe could you give like a highlight set of the features it's capable of? It sounds like it's capable of running inference, can it run training on data as well?

You can use the inference and tokens for anything you want. The Morpheus compute router is completely agnostic. You can pick whatever model you want, closed or open source, though most people are running open source models. They're running across decentralized GPUs on networks like Akash, SETI, Bittensor. Like anybody can be a compute provider to Morpheus. Morpheus's goal is just to then route that compute to the person that needs it, right? Um, but that's just one aspect. Like, that's hash power is to Bitcoin what inference is to Morpheus. But the objective, right, is not the hash power. The objective is not the inference. It's to use it for these smart agents. It's to power a person's personal AI, right? That's the actual output that creates all the value and is really interesting, right? Having the inference is a prerequisite, it's a building block to get to that outcome. Just like the EVM and Solidity were building blocks for Ethereum to support smart contracts, right? But the actual value is in the DeFi applications and all of the dApps that people build on Ethereum, right? So it's very similar for Morpheus. But give you something very tangible. If you're a developer and that's a lot of your audience, you go to openbeta.mor.org, there's a free API and you can generate a key with the click of a button and use it and replace anything today you're running OpenAI. It's literally the same schema, it's literally the same format. Just take that curl and swap it out for the Morpheus one and you can get going in a few seconds to switch over your models to open source and distributed models. And because Morpheus has an incentive mechanism built in, you've got compute providers competing to provide the inference, so the costs are vastly lower on Morpheus. And what's happening in the back end is the subnet that's running the API is just staking the MOR token. And that's a really brilliant model. Instead of paying every day, it's staking the token to open up these sessions with compute providers and providing that to everybody who accesses the API. So openbeta.mor.org has been live for a few weeks and really easy to use. I used it the other day and set up a key in less than a minute. So it's cool to see like we're getting to that point. You don't have to download the node anymore, you don't have to touch the smart contracts, you can just go to a website like that and explore it. So for developers that's probably a good starting point. Um, for people that want to use the inference, there's beautiful apps like venice.ai. Um, there's a native Morpheus chat app coming out now that's built on top of the API. People are building all these different light clients, right, because there is no one Morpheus. There's no foundation or DAO or company, there was no pre-mine or investors. This is an entirely community-built project from the ground up, right? And so you've got all these people building different versions of Morpheus that sort of fit their vision for, 'Oh, I want to use it for inference. Oh, I want to build on it. Oh, I want to use it for capital.' There's all these different aspects. But those are the four keys to Morpheus: the compute, the capital, the coding tools, and the builders are really the four audiences that it's focused on.

Amazing. Yeah, that sounds awesome. And yeah, we will link to the openbeta.mor.org URL that you mentioned David in the description below so folks can go play around with it. Sounds like it's fresh off the presses a couple weeks. Um, so yeah, definitely folks who want to play around with that. And I suppose you mentioned the MOR token. So it sounds like it's a utility token used to incentivize the network. Do people who want to utilize the network need MOR token to pay for jobs or how does the token work?

Um, that's how it works in the back end. A lot of that complexity's been abstracted now that you have folks like the subnets running the API, they're doing that on behalf of users. So most users are just going to show up with a credit card and want to pay for something if they're doing like inference at scale. Or if it's a fairly small scale, they can just use the API for free. You know, there's a lot of compute available on the Morpheus network and because of that competition, because people are incentivized to provide the compute, you know, we're seeing an increase of more and more flowing onto the network. So yeah, you can get started and off and running for zero cost, right? And at scale you'll end up either directly or indirectly having MOR tokens staked to the network so that you can access more and more of the inference. But I really like that model because think about, you get rid of all the gas fees, you get rid of all the small transactions paying you know per prompt or anything, all that goes away, right? You're just effectively having a one-time cost, you know, and you can have access to that intelligence for as long as you want, right? Which is really powerful and goes back to the idea of a personal AI. I want to own more tokens because I want to own my AI forever, right? How do I persistently store the outputs? There's an IPFS integration built directly into the Morpheus node. So now I can store pointers to where all of my data is, right? So it's not just the intelligence, it's the memories, it's the outputs, it's the knowledge that I'm building with my AI. I can take that with me anywhere I take my private key. I've got the ability to effectively re-instantiate my AI with all of its connections, integrations, data and the rest. So I think that's going to be really powerful for the same reason you have a smartphone. You probably don't use some company phone that they gave you as your primary phone because you want to be able to take your stuff with you when you leave that job and go to the next one. You want to keep your contacts and your memories and your photos and your apps and all the rest, right? And so that is taken for granted as basic table stakes globally that everybody has an individual phone. And I think we're going to get to that same output here for everybody having an individual AI.

Yeah, and that's really powerful, like a really powerful statement. Like it might not hit home right away when you hear it the first time, but like when you experience it, it's like, wow. Um, yeah, and it sounds like Morpheus is quite a ways in development. Is it still in beta, is it testnet, is it mainnet? It sounds like mainnet in the sense that the smart contracts are on Ethereum, Base, Arbitrum. You could say there're different pieces of it, like the API that are in beta or still emerging. I would say the super agent is still in that beta category. The super agent is your personal agent that detects intent, understands what you want to accomplish and then interacts with other agents on your behalf, right? You're not going to end up talking to 100 agents every day. You're going to have one agent that you've effectively trained with your preferences, your goals, you've connected it to your data and your wallet and then it can go and interact with tons of other third-party agents on your behalf representing you. So there's a great website in the community, freeai.xyz, that's one of the implementations of the Morpheus super agent. So but yeah the capital aspects are very mature at this point. The smart contracts launched in February of 24 and it's processed over 3 billion dollars in staked Ethereum that people then provided the yield to the project. And I think that fair launch mechanism is such a brilliant innovation. It's actually one of the things that first got me excited when I read the Morpheus white paper, I was like 'Oh, it's an ICO without the risk.' Because I hold my own capital, I'm just staking it towards this project and I have the same number of ETH I started with. I never gave up custody of my funds, I'm only contributing the yield. It's like I wasn't staking it anyway, I might as well stake it towards a cool open source project that I want to support.

And so that fair launch mechanism has been adopted by a bunch of projects. If you know Arweave, their AO platform adopted the Morpheus smart contracts and they did over a billion dollars of staked Ethereum. Nampspace and other groups have all adopted this fair launch mechanism. So you know it's sort of really cool rebirth of those 2017 days minus the centralization, all in smart contracts with no custodian. Now I can support any project I want. So the capital aspects are fairly mature. And the community is extending that now, you can stake the MOR token, not just ETH, towards any project you want to support. So if you go to builders.mor.org, you can see over 100 projects that people have built and it's like, 'Yeah, I want to stake my MOR towards that.' And it's the same model, I'm only directing the yield. I keep custody of my MOR tokens and I can un-stake them whenever I want and redirect them to another project, right? And so I think protecting users and avoiding rugs is critical for the industry to scale beyond where it was in 2017 to like where it can really serve the mainstream. Um, so the capital aspects are three billion dollars is a lot of capital. Um, and now the capital contracts, this is one thing I'm working on right now, are expanding from staked Ethereum, and Morpheus has been using Lido, right, to do that, to an integration with Aave. And so you'll be able to stake WBTC if you want to hold Bitcoin as your long-term exposure. Now you'll be able to donate that yield to the project. You want to hold stablecoins? Cool. Stake stablecoins on Aave and contribute that yield to Morpheus, right? So it's really going to open up right not just Ethereum bulls but people that want to hold Bitcoin, people that want to hold stables or other exposures will also be able to contribute to the Morpheus capital contracts. So that's already been coded up, community tested, it's going through audits right now. So I'd expect that in the fairly near future. But yeah that part is really caught on and I'm glad because you know I think that fair launch mechanism is really important and gives people again an alternative. You didn't need a company, you didn't need a DAO, you didn't need an entity, you didn't need a committee or a bureaucracy or a bunch of votes, you just put it all in the smart contracts.

Yeah, and you answered one of my questions I had for you around what's on the roadmap. It seems like there's some fun stuff coming up. Um, would you say that after those pieces are done that complete the Morpheus vision or is there more? Is there more yet to come? I guess what's Morpheus's end game so to speak?

So if you go to the gitbook, so gitbook.mor.org, there's a lot of great documentation of the smart contracts but also of like the roadmap of Morpheus. And the phases or eras have been very similar and almost you know sort of mirror the ones for Ethereum, right? You know, when the white paper came out that was the Genesis era, right? And then you had the launch of the capital contracts that was the Frontier era, right? And then all of a sudden you know you could do all the compute aspects when that launched last November, that was the Homestead era, right? And now we've progressed Metropolis where you're able to launch a builder in a subnet and a smart agent on Morpheus. And right now we're in the Serenity era where it's expanding to other chains, right? Not just Ethereum and Base and Arbitrum, it's been coded up for Solana, will probably be one of the next chains that it spreads to. And you diversify the capital types. Right, Morpheus is supposed to be for everybody. It's chain agnostic, it's yield agnostic. You know, I have opinions about chains, but my opinions shouldn't dictate what other people decide, right? And so I love that Morpheus is a neutral platform for all the chains, for all the builders, you know, across types. And so we're in that Serenity era right now and sort of delivering now the pieces that the community envisioned you know three to six months ago. Um, but the next era, maybe not the last, but the next era is called Zion. And the concept of the Zion era is that super agent. That personal AI that is working on your behalf, doing these recurring jobs based on what you tell it to do. Like, you could say that's the payoff for all these previous eras. You had to have the compute first, you had to have the capital, you had to have the coding tools. They all had to exist before you could have a super agent that acts on behalf of a person, right, and then interacts with a bunch of other agents on your behalf. So you know that's really exciting to me. The community is still sort of thinking about and writing the documentation around what's included in this next Zion era but that may go from now until you know the end of the year, right, so in the next six months. They're not really time-bound, it's much more like what's included in this next era and phase that everybody wants to see, right? And so that's sort of what's coming next and and for me is the exciting payoff because I get I go back again to like what does it mean to have a personal AI? What does it mean for that to really be you know involved in every application that I'm connected to or connected to my wallet? You know, is that an NFT that does that association? Is it connected to my private key, my my wallet address directly? Right, the community's figuring out a lot of those architectural questions and there's a lot of proposals and standards out there that people have put out like what does it mean to have a personal AI, but we have all the building blocks now. And so it's a matter of putting it together and the community will come up with a reference implementation and then anybody else is free to build it however they want, right? Um, there's no concept of a core implementation, there's no sort of consensus mechanism. You know, Morpheus is not a blockchain. We don't have to force everybody into a lowest common denominator. It's a set of smart contracts, right? And so it's very modular. If you just want to use Morpheus to, you know, grab some compute for a Llama model, go for it. If you just want to launch a subnet and use it as a way for capital formation, you know, to coordinate your community, go for it, right? But a lot of us are driving towards this vision of a super AI, of a personal AI, right, and taking all these building blocks in order to achieve that.

Awesome, awesome. Yeah, that sounds awesome. And yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing Morpheus continue to expand. It sounds like it's a very capable and amazing product now, so um, if you're a developer or AI enthusiast, I definitely recommend you checking it out using the resources we have um in the description below. Um, but uh, with that, uh, we've unfortunately come to time David. I felt like we could probably go another hour talking decentralized AI and agents and whatnot. Um, maybe maybe a point of discussion for another time, but I just want to thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to come chat with us um and yeah, this is amazing.

Absolutely. Great discussion. Good to hang out.

All right all, with that just want to wish everybody a very happy Thursday, Friday, weekend, wherever you may be, and that will catch you back here for another great episode of DevNTell next week. Until then, have a good one. Cheers.